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F-BVFD....? |
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Posts: 0 (28/10/03 19:27) |
Am sure we have all seen the very sad pictures of G-BBDG, but what about F-BVFD, supposedly it is lying besides a runway somewhere, and another part in the USA.
Also are there any pictures of this concorde after Air France trashed it in Dakar? |
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gordonroxburgh |
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Posts: 6171 (28/10/03 20:20) |
It was fully scrapped with a JCB type thing in 1994
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giblets46 |
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Posts: 650 (28/10/03 20:41) |
Are there any pictures of these tumultuous events? I did a web search, and could find nothing. WOuld ahve thought there may be some pictures of the crushed tail wheel at least, let alone the vandalism that occured in 94.
Though I did find my username and password for this site! |
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Posts: 7192 (28/10/03 23:33) |
Gordon,
For us ignoramuses, what is a JCB thing? One of those bang and cut and smash and scrape thingamobs you see crawling around on building sites? Actually, scuttlebutt seems to have it that some of the bits and pieces are still stocked somewhere in a hangar at Le Bourget, or near there (no, I'm not talking about what's left of SC). Seems even our French colleagues on concorde-jet.com aren't sure, but maybe I could ask again. Christian |
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Posts: 6171 (28/10/03 23:42) |
Spot on with the JCB thing, Christian!
I beleive the "remains" were stored but from the pics I seen they will not be pretty |
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ChristiaanJ |
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Posts: 7192 (29/10/03 00:02) |
Just wondered if anything recognisable is still left?
They must have salvaged everything like instruments, systems, etc. for the spares store. Then sold the nose to this American. So yes, not an awful lot can be left ... |
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Posts: 0 (29/10/03 00:47) |
www.concordesst.com says
Withdrawn from use and stored when the Paris-Dakar-Rio route was closed down and Air France had surplus aircraft. Fox-Delta was chosen as it was the aircraft that had had its airframe repaired after suffered a heavy landing in Dakar 5 years previously, in November1977 (the landing was at 14 feet per second against the standard 10 fps limit and caused the rear tail bumper wheel to be crushed.) The repair had added weight to the aircraft, and it would struggle range wise on most routes and require much more fuel, if it could fly the route in the first place. It was later broken up in 1994, at Charles de Gaulle, Paris, France. After being out of service for 12 years it had suffered serious corrosion. It had been used for spare parts and was instrumental in bringing G-BOAG back into sevice as BA did not have access to 202 until mid 1984. The nose was sold to a rich American on 16 March 1995 for FF300,000 (~45,730). The rest of the fuselage was moved to Dugny, close to the taxiways at Le Bourget. |
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giblets46 |
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Posts: 650 (29/10/03 12:19) |
Hi Gordon, is there any chance of putting the pictures up?
Think seeing concorde being broken up will help bring home the reality of not looking after the remaining aircraft. |
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gordonroxburgh |
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Posts: 6171 (29/10/03 12:28) |
No you are all too emotional on here presently for the pics.
I will someday add them to the site. Gordon. |
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blackanddarkness |
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Posts: 321 (29/10/03 13:11) |
From a 80's video report somewhere on BBC news, it said that BA had 7 aircraft in service, but Air France had 5 in service with 2 in storage. It then said that BA were interested in buying the 2 aircraft not in service. Can anyone confirm that?
As for the pictures, please post them Gordon! It would be interesting to see what a scrapped Concorde looks like! |
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Posts: 650 (29/10/03 17:15) |
Pretty sure that one of the concordes refered to was in fact BVFD, the other was most probably BTSC, which was stored between 82 and 86.
But she was brought back into service when the others were being serviced. I too would be interested to see the pictures especially if there are any of the damage incured in Dakar, if not the trashing. |
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ChristiaanJ |
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Posts: 7192 (29/10/03 17:51) |
Gordon didn't mention it, but there is another good reason not to post them here: both the site and the forum are not just for a few specialists, but also for the public and open to the media.
Unless you're an engineer, even a photo of a Concorde in the middle of a major overhaul can look pretty shocking and awful to somebody who doesn't know aircraft are designed and built to be taken apart and put together again regularly. The cockpit looks awful, no seats and just empty holes instead of instruments, the cabin if anything looks worse, no seats, no flooring, no wall furnishing, no toilets, no galleys, just a long bare metal tube. No engines either. A few weeks later everything will be back in place. So would you want to see something like that in the press with a tendentious article next to it written by an ignorant journalist? As to pictures of one actually being scrapped, which look a lot more awful (yes, even to an engineer) I agree people should be spared that so soon after October 24. |
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MVSNYC |
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Posts: 103 (29/10/03 19:15) |
i am torn about this...i think it would interesting to see how one looks scraped, but it would almost be like seeing a mutilated human...hard to look at, hard on the stomach.
mvs p.s. maybe an interesting thing is to have a poll, then the forum would have their vote...and then of course Gordon would have the ultimate say. |
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Posts: 321 (29/10/03 22:13) |
Im surprised the media didn't make a big deal out of G-BBDG, that got posted but nothing much really happened. They even put it into it's own hangar and only took it out once every 15 years or whenever. And as for the aircraft going through maintanence checks, i've seen pictures of their cockpits on airliners.net (including f-bvff) so that should be allright! But still, please post the pictures! It would be interesting....!
Andrew Hansford
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Posts: 6171 (29/10/03 22:17) |
www.concordesst.com/202.html
at the bottom is a pic of her 2 years ago. My fingers are crossedthat BA will allow one of the museums that has lost out on one of the 7 , will being given 202 as a long term restoration project |
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Posts: 7192 (29/10/03 22:37) |
MVSNYC wrote:
"... maybe an interesting thing is to have a poll, then the forum would have their vote...and then of course Gordon would have the ultimate say...." [barf emoticon] (1) Oh please .... not another poll. (2) More seriously, MVSNYC, I though you you were somebody serious fom your previous posts, so I'm amazed. The forum (and the site) are run by Gordon, not by a committee. What goes on the site and on the forum are in the last instance HIS responsability, so that sort of decisions are HIS alone, not to be decided by a poll. Not to mention that a real poll should be an unbiased and true sample which of course can't be the case here. Sorry, nothing personal, but I felt it needed to be said - Gordon does too much for the site and the forum to let this pass. [end of barf] |
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Posts: 103 (30/10/03 00:12) |
christian, i don't appreciate your "barf" insult
 ...i am a very serious and intellegent person...i just thought it would be an interesting poll, since it seems that "polls", as corny as they are...are en vogue on this site these days...and if you read my post carefully, you will see that at the end, i said "ultimately gordon would have the last say". MVSNYC |
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Posts: 0 (06/02/04 15:21) |
There are pictures of the scrapping of FD at maripa.free.fr
and you can find picture of rest of forward fuselage at Le Bourget on this site afconcorde.free.fr |
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